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Be advised, this article contains a video of Tamra Judge that some readers may find graphic. If you have dermatophobia or other fears related to skin conditions and treatment, this may not be the article for you.
Nevertheless, the Real Housewives of Orange County star felt just fine broadcasting some facial swelling to her Instagram followers. Everyone knows that reality stars tend to have work done. It’s all part of the entertainment industrial complex, pressuring stars to look their best.
So, there are certainly problems with the system. Nevertheless, fans tend to clown stars for their cosmetic work, especially when it’s noticeable. So, this time, Tamra decided to just confront her fans head-on.
Tamra Judge left barely able to open her eyes after facial surgery
On September 1, Tamra gave fans a very personal update. While folks know that reality stars engage in plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures, Tamra showcased an up-close look at the process. She took to Instagram, sharing a video just days after a recent procedure. “Day three and the swelling’s making a statement,” Tamra wrote in the caption.
“Progress isn’t always pretty, but it’s happening.” In the video itself, Tamra faced the camera and said, “Okay guys, this is day three. It’s supposed to be the worst of it when it comes to swelling.” Tamra’s voice was noticeably hoarse. “The swelling is from the CO2 laser,” she explained. She showed how the effects spread down to her chest as well.
“You can imagine what it feels like,” she added. Later, she broadcasted from bed at “the end of day three.” Tamra said she felt like her skin would “burst. You can see it’s getting oozy. I can barely open my eyes.” She also mentioned the tube in her throat, causing her pain. Nevertheless, this was all according to plan.
Since 2009, Teresa Giudice has been giving everything she has to the Real Housewives of New Jersey. The OG has shown every aspect of her life, including the birth of her fourth daughter and going to jail. Along the way, Teresa has put the Bravo franchise on the map thanks to her table-flipping antics. But love or hate her, you can’t deny that she has had that special spark in reality TV. At this point, I think she deserves a spot in the Smithsonian between Judy Garland’s ruby slippers and Julia Child’s actual kitchen.
Teresa Giudice’s best misquotes
If there is one thing I will never forget about Teresa, it is her hilarious quotes. Bravo recently gifted Trehuggers a montage of some of the OG’s best one-liners. The video started with Tre yelling, “I swear to God I’m gonna f*cking blow my casket, I really am!” But, in actuality, she meant to use the word gasket. The Season 3 reunion was a gift from the heavens. Teresa had several stumbling moments when it came to phrasing her attacks. Perhaps my favorite was when she tried to say uneducated, but it came out “Unducated.”
Who could forget Season 4, when all Teresa wanted to do was blast her former friend, Jacqueline Laurita? During a particularly funny confessional Tre quipped, “She’s looking sad, then another minute she’s attacking me, she’s like Hekyll and Jyde!” Clearly, Teresa was trying to conjure up the image of Jekyll and Hyde. Even Teresa’s advice to her daughters has been skewed as she once told Milania Giudice during Season 13 “There’s always a light at the end of the rainbow.”
I do not doubt that Teresa’s insult from Season 1 still haunts Danielle Staub. Tre lost control as she screamed, “Prostitution whore. You were f*cking engaged 19 times!” while flipping over a dinner table will forever live rent-free in fans’ minds. But perhaps one of my all-time favorite insults to come from Teresa was when she said, “I respect the elderly,” about Kim G. Teresa also had a perfect insult shortly before she chased Danielle around a New Jersey country club when she asked, “Is b*tch better?”
During an earlier reunion, Teresa found herself fighting once again with Melissa Gorga. As usual, Tre had felt personally victimized throughout the season. But when she was called out after Joe Giudice allegedly called Melissa “Raccoon face,” she quickly clapped back, saying, “He was talking about Kathy.” Oh, the sweet irony that was Teresa. Early Teresa was great, but perhaps the insult that stuck the most was the one aimed at Caroline Manzo when Tre wrote, “She’s as Italian as the Olive Garden.” Ouch!
Teresa Giudice’s best battles on RHONJ
I don’t think there is a person that Teresa hasn’t fought with. No one is off limits for the OG, who, in her mind, is always right. The first Off the Rails episode way back in Season 5 was a doozy. Tre was fighting Jacqueline after the two had tried to get their friendship back on track. The Las Vegas native asked to talk to Tre one-on-one, but the OG snapped, saying, “You don’t tell me what to do.” And the rest is history. Kathy Wakile was quite the foe for Tre over the year. It all started during the Christening of Melissa’s son when Kathy kindly escorted the children out of the ballroom.
Tre took offense and felt that her cousin was implying she was a bad mom for leaving them unattended. Kathy and Tre argued again on the cast trip, which left Kathy no other choice but to call her cousin “Coo-coo.” Teresa loved a good scrap, and while most of her fights were pointless, all of them were entertaining.
For 14 seasons, Tre has been the gift that keeps on giving. She has always been TV gold without having to try. Teresa has remained the same since day one, which is why so many fans can’t help but love her.
Stacy Snyder from Love Is Blind is both thrilled and nervous about sharing her new relationship status. The reality TV alum is very happy though and that’s what matters in the end.
It looks like she’s discovered more about herself since her stint on the reality dating show about finding love without seeing one another. Stacy joined Season 5 of the show which aired last year. She got engaged to Izzy Zapata after the pods, but called it off at the altar.
Now it looks like Stacy has found happiness elsewhere and made a bold statement about that fact to her friends and followers on social media.
She shared a video on her Instagram of herself at a wine bar with the background music of Charli XCX and Billie Eilish’s recent collab, Guess. In the clip, she’s looking around as if looking for someone. At the same time, she’s sharing snippets of rumors that have surfaced about her love life.
The text read, “She’s single again. She’s got a boyfriend. She’s irrelevant.”
And then, another woman enters the video to kiss Snyder. The clip ends with the text “She’s happy.”
“Surprise! #[rainbow emoji],” she captioned the video. It was a hard launch of her new relationship and of her discovering new parts of her, which wasn’t always easy to admit.
She later admitted in her stories that she was “scared s**tless” to come out as a part of the LGBTQIA+ community. But fortunately, despite a questionable comment here and there, fans have been kind and positive after her reveal.
According to her, the kindness left her speechless.
“I was fully expecting hate, a lot of it. I always get a lot of hate, and I’m like, ‘Is it the algorithm or it’s just like ‘Hate Stacy?’ But it was a really nice, a freaking nice change, so thank you.”
But of course, Stacy couldn’t escape a little snark from fans. One commenter asked, “Does she have good credit?” Welp.
Candiace Dillard Bassett and her fine-looking man, Chris Bassett, are expecting their first (likely) sassy, definitely precious child together. Their exciting announcement arrived a few weeks after Candiace publicly disclosed her exit from the Real Housewives of Potomac series. Starring (and expertly reading her costars for filth) on Seasons 3-8, Candiace was transparent about her IVF journey on RHOP. She also shared that she and Chris went “through with a successful egg retrieval,” resulting in six viable embryos. Candiace is now pregnant and pleased, but underneath her excitement lies one understandable area that still fills her soul with dread, aka the stretch marks demon(s).
Let me tell you something. I will not be smited the demon of stretch marks in the 11th hour of this pregnancy. My stomach is starting to itch more and more and the enemy will not prosper around my belly button or anywhere else on my body. I rebuke it, OK?! REBUKE!!!
Like her or not, one can never deny Candiace’s heightened level of wit. In all situations, both the good and the bad, she had a clap-back on deck, ready to fire at random. Unfortunately, her quips sometimes landed below the belt, causing tensions amongst her cast. After a heated Season 8, Candiace exited stage left, but this does not mean her wit also dropped off and died.
Case in point, check out her recent statement on X, the artist formally known as Twitter. Her copied and pasted post below hysterically references her stretching belly and the marks that are popping up on her skin.
This post reads: “Let me tell you something. I will not be smited [by] the demon of stretch marks in the 11th hour of this pregnancy. My stomach is starting to itch more and more and the enemy will not prosper around my belly button or anywhere else on my body. I rebuke it, OK?! REBUKE!!!”
I love females, sometimes, because the comments that rolled in were all supportive AF. Recommendations of oils, creams, belly masks, and vitamins equally flooded her post because women can (and should) rise to the top to support other women. Even the ones they have never met.
Best wishes, Candiace, and make a cameo with your babe on RHOP once you pop.
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Friendships were repaired and broken again on Season 2 of Real Housewives of Dubai. Caroline Brooks had a falling out with Caroline Stanbury over newbie Taleen Marie. Then Brooks got into it with Taleen because she called her a beggar. And the biggest fallout was between besties Chanel Ayan and Lesa Milan. They were at odds over a little voice note drama and Ayan’s new friendship with Stanbury. To top it off, Taleen and Lesa got into it over Lesa’s spa day. Phew! With only the RHODubai Season 2 finale left, will the ladies be able to make peace with one another? It doesn’t seem likely.
The RHODubai Season 2 finale sneak peek is packed full of drama
In Bravo’s sneak peek, the group meets up for some midmorning champs to wash down the drama from the previous night. What starts off as chill quickly goes left. Taleen decided it would be a great idea to apologize to Lesa in front of the whole group. Girl, no. Why wouldn’t she just pull her aside like she did with Stanbury? Needless to say, this approach did not go well for her.
Taleen apologized for jumping into Lesa’s spat with Brooks. She reasoned she just wanted to have her friends back. But then Taleen told Lesa it was “uncalled for” coming at her during dinner. Any goodwill was now out the window, and Lesa was activated.
Lesa clapped back that Taleen did things that “irritate the sh*t out of me,” such as “chiming in when it’s not necessary.” Maybe so, but that hot mess behavior is why Taleen had an excellent debut on RHODubai. The ladies then told Lesa not to say that Taleen didn’t have a business. Lesa chalked it up to arguing, but Taleen felt differently. Taleen asked if Lesa was apologizing, and Lesa said, “You can’t be bitchy and not expect to be called a bitch.”
In her confessional, Taleen joked there should be a drinking game every time Lesa called her a bitch. However, the group didn’t find it funny, and all walked off. Taleen then threw her hands up and shouted, “I apologized!” Lesa responded, “F*ck your apology, bitch.” Clearly, any peace within this group was out of the question.
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The world stopped when pop stars Charli XCX and Lorde dropped their remix of “Girl, So Confusing.” The smash hit had many listeners re-examining their friendship breakups and wondering if they too could “work it out on the remix.” The song also inspired a TikTok trend. Fans posted photos and videos of feuding celebrities or TV characters with the “Girl, So Confusing” audio in the background.
Naturally, I couldn’t help but apply the concept to the Bravoverse. There are countless Bravo feuds that I’ve been waiting with bated breath to be resolved. It’s no fun seeing your favs fight. In honor of the TikTok trend, I’ve compiled a list of Bravo feuds I hope will be resolved soon.
Here are three Bravo feuds that could benefit from working it out on the remix:
Bethenny Frankel and Carole Radziwill
There once was a time Real Housewives of New York stars Bethenny Frankel and Carole Radziwill were tied at the hip. They formed a friendship when Bethenny returned to the franchise for Season 7. Their close bond continued until the end of Season 10 when all hell broke loose. There were a myriad of reasons for the “breakup.” They fought over subjective text messages, a charity event gone wrong, and who a man in a scarf liked more (cue eye roll). However, the crux of the fight seemed to be Bethenny’s abandonment issues. She felt hurt and dismissed by her friend.
The women were never able to repair the friendship. They continue to throw digs at each other in interviews to this day. During Bethenny and Jill Zarin’smending fences episode on the Just B podcast, Jill asked if Bethenny would be interested in having Carole on the podcast. B was firm that she had no interest in burying the hatchet with her former friend. Carole said the same in an interview on SiriusXM. She told the host that Bethenny was using her to “construct a storyline.”
A reconciliation between these two Alphas seems unlikely but a girl can dream. I miss their friendship. It was a joy watching them take on New York together.
Lisa Vanderpump and Kyle Richards
Bethenny and Carole’s friendship breakup was based on silly disagreements but nothing is more unserious than Lisa Vanderpump and Kyle Richards feud. Lisa cut Kyle out of her life over PUPPY DRAMA.
In Season 9 of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Dorit Kemsley adopted a dog from Vanderpump Dogs named Lucy Lucy Apple Juice. Unfortunately, the dog allegedly had behavioral issues and she didn’t feel comfortable having the pup around her kids. She thought she gave Lucy away to a loving home but Vanderpump Dogs was alerted that the dog ended up in a kill shelter. The RHOBH cast became suspicious of Lisa after stories about the situation started popping up in the press.
Her cast members suspected she planted the stories, which caused a whole lot of drama. Lisa seemed the most hurt by Kyle’s questioning given their close friendship. She and Kyle were such a funny duo on RHOBH, but Kyle accused LVP of lying right to her face and that was no bueno. Lisa isn’t quick to forgive (and maybe she shouldn’t forgive at all), so I’m not holding my breath for a rekindling, but it would be iconic if these two came together again.
Listen, the Season 14 finale was rough and gave us little hope that these two hot-headed Jersey girls will be able to resolve their issues. However, Teresa did say there was some hope for her and Marge at the end of the Finale Watch Party. When she was asked if there was a world in which she would forgive Marge, she said it was possible if Marge got down on her knees and apologized for everything. Now, I don’t think Marge would ever do that but the statement did give me some hope for the future.
Jersey is in a tough place right now with the cast so divided. The women may be replaced if they can’t find common ground soon. Teresa won’t film with Melissa but she may be willing to talk to Marge to save the show. It’s unlikely but it could happen. Here’s hoping Dolores Catania can create some peace between the two.
TELL US – WHAT DO YOU THINK OF OUR LIST? WHAT BRAVO FEUD BREAKS YOUR HEART THE MOST?
There was something about Dance Moms: A New Era that had me feeling nostalgic. Maybe it was Glo Hampton’s voice sounding an awful lot like Abby Lee Miller. But then it hit me. There were some pretty humorous moments. Between the middle-aged mothers trying to live vicariously through their daughters and the tiny dancers saying the darndest things, there were moments of gold when it came to the reboot. Let’s take a look at the funniest moments from Dance Moms: A New Era.
Smiley wasn’t the best dancer. Everyone knew it, but Ms. Glow wanted to shut her mother, Dominica, up, so she was given a duet. The duet was to be danced during pride week and revolve around a very specific storyline. Ms. Glo wanted to tell the story of two young girls in high school falling in love. However, the major problem was that Smiley and her dance partner, Lily, didn’t have chemistry. In a savage move, Ms. Glow kicked Smiley out and added Ashlan. This left Dominica pissed as she said, “It’s not my fault that Lily and Smiley look like lesbian twins.”
Ashlan was the star of the show and gave main character vibes this season. Even though she kept crying, it probably got her what she wanted at home. She struck me as a pre-teen who was very sensitive and overwhelmed. But when she was on, she was on. Ashlan was all about giving face, and finally, Ms. Glow handed her a solo. But it came with some red tape. Ashlan was told she would have to do some research on the beauty queen who was murdered on Christmas Day.
The tiny primadonna even had to make her own costumes. Ashlan did not do well under pressure. On the day of the competition, she once again took out her rage on her mother. While Lisa was trying to be the hype woman for her little girl, Ashlan sat pouting, stating, “I kind of know how JonBenet felt.” Do you, Ashlan? This, perhaps, was one of the most humorous moments.
Mina, the meanie
The whole scene with Mina ripping apart Smiley was insane. Mina was a total mini-girl boss in that scene. Most 8-year-olds I’ve met know that’s way too mean to say out loud in front of that many people. But the lack of filter was comical to watch. Mina was caught saying, “It’s her problem she is crying. I’m not upset that she’s not in the group. I don’t care. I did hug Smiley and wished her the best for her.” At this moment, even her mother, Min, points out, “You’re a mean girl.”
But Connie, Lilly’s mother, even joked, “I’m scared of Mina. Have you seen Mina’s mother? It’s no surprise she is the way she is.” Mina kept going with her tirade, noting, “You cry. You need some time to yourself. She needs to do it for herself. Other people can’t do it for you. I’m not mean right now. Just care about yourself.” Honestly, I love Mina. I don’t care how harsh she is. The unapologetic Mina ends her rant, stating, “She has brain cells too… but she has a little more beauty.”
As I stated above, Ashlan was on a pre-teen rollercoaster when it came to her emotions. But If I were Lisa, I might have found a new activity for my daughter because the stress of dance was obviously way too much. But the stress caused Ashlan to deliver some pretty funny moments. After yet another long rehearsal, Ashlan was in tears and trying to calm herself down. While talking to the camera, she said, “I’m at the point where I need some coffee.”
The producer asked, “Is that coffee, Ashlan?”
The blonde smiled through tears as she said, “No, it’s cherry coke. “
From Episode 1, it was pretty obvious that Audrey was Ms. Glo’s favorite. But when Gina was brought in to give Audrey a run for her money, the move really upset Audrey, making me think it wasn’t the only thing living rent-free in Audrey’s basement head. The craziest interaction was the way Audrey was so nasty to Gina in the backstage dressing room. Gina had just stated she didn’t want the rivalry to ruin their friendship.
But Audrey asked, “Have you gotten better this season? Can you even do a front punch? You can barely do a back tuck.” Talking down to your teammate is one thing. But to make a girl who is two years younger than you feel back for not having advanced tumbling tricks is just plain mean. But Gina got her revenge and ended up winning with her solo.
TELL US — CAN YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER FUNNY MOMENTS FROM DANCE MOMS: A NEW ERA?
The Browns never thought their polygamous family could be left in ruins. But they also had never met Robyn Brown. It felt like the fourth wife of Kody Brown made it her mission to divide and conquer when it came to the plural family. Kody treated her like a queen and often put her on a pedestal. Robyn was seen as the crux of all the issues due to her alleged manipulative ways. Even though she claimed she wanted to grow old with her Sister Wives costars, her actions spoke a different tune.
As Season 10 gets ready to premiere, Robyn is acting as if Kody has turned her off. The patriarch has been whining and crying for years, not about how he is the victim. He has isolated himself from his three other wives and older children. Could it be that Robyn finally has had enough and has been given the ick? She might be better off going at it alone for a while, but surely that would devastate Kody.
Kody Brown hasn’t been the nicest
For the most part, Robyn has been the neck that turns the head when it comes to major decisions for the family. Fans have watched multiple seasons where Robyn has gotten her way. However, Robyn isn’t blind to the fact that Kody has taken his anger out on his first three wives. More than once, Kody has called them names like “princess” and “lazy.” It is not exactly how a husband should treat his spouses, but Robyn has escaped unscathed until now.
The Season 10 trailer showed Kody freaking out in the presence of Robyn. Even though Robyn is once again crying, it feels like she is starting to understand why Meri Brown, Christine Brown, and Janelle Brown all decided to uproot their lives and move on to greener pastures. In the trailer, Robyn notes, “I feel like the idiot who got left behind.” Could it be that the mother of five finally understands her husband is a loser in aluminum?
Robyn Brown and Kody Brown are on the rocks
A source close to the Brown family shared with The US Sun that “Robyn and Kody are not doing well. They have been very unhappy. I mean, they’ve been unhappy since everything fell apart, but even more so now, it’s getting worse.” It’s no surprise that the couple are struggling. A big reason for their marriage’s demise is how angry Kody is. The source added, “He’s just really mad at the world right now. Kody is not who he used to be at all.”
“He’s completely changed. He’s angry, and he’s volatile, and he doesn’t like anybody who’s not worshiping him.” Kody has always had a major God complex. In Season 8, he noted that he should have never given the wives their freedom or allowed them to have minds of their own, saying, “I’m going to be the head of my household again, and so I’m not going to be circumvented in that,” Kody said. “And so if everybody’s willing to conform to patriarchy again, I guess, because I’ve been fighting to make everybody happy. My bitterness is that out of trying to do that and not having the family that I had thought about and designed.” Spoiler alert: nobody was willing to bow down to Kody.
Kody Brown has become controlling
The gun salesman is trying to hold onto any sense of control he once had. But the moment is fleeting, like trying to catch a snowflake before it melts. The source explained that Kody has become “very controlling,” which in turn has made Robyn “submissive.” Allegedly, Kody is “controlling so much of her life right now,” and she is “not happy.” I mean, who would be happy? I imagine Robyn is plotting her escape as I type. Even though she is the clear villain of the series, she is also one smart cookie. I can’t imagine Robyn would stay one minute longer if it meant she was being disrespected.
The insider elaborated that Robyn used to be a social butterfly, which included family visits and talking on the phone with friends. But apparently, this no longer happens. If the trailer is any indication of their issues, it doesn’t look good. While standing out in the snow, Robyn is caught saying, “I’m having a hard time feeling like I’m losing respect for you.” Even though Robyn has often been the scapegoat, she has kept Kody in line when it comes to expressing his sour opinions. Maybe she is just tired of being his carer.
Kody Brown is turning into Robyn Brown’s ex
As the trailer ended, the TLC cameras zoomed in on Robyn, and she noted, “This is not the way it was supposed to go.” What’s worse for the fourth and favorite wife is the fact that her beloved Kody is slowly morphing into her ex-husband, David Jessop. The source noted, “Kody is turning into a mirror image of David. She took her kids away from him and took his parental control away. You think she’s going to stick around for this? No. Robyn chose to divorce David, stating there was serious marital discord in the home.
It seems like Robyn is putting her foot down, and I can’t blame her. The insider shared, “Robyn is not committed to staying if things don’t change. That’s just what it has come down to. Their marriage is not going to sustain this kind of control. She’s not going to let her kids be raised in the same volatile, angry state that her other kids were raised in.” If Robyn does leave, Kody will have no choice but to finally face the fact that he has been the problem all along.
TELL US — DO YOU THINK ROBYN SHOULD LEAVE KODY BEHIND?
One can never have too many friends in life. And the newest season of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is proving that sentiment with the addition of Meili Workman. The unknown, about-to-be-known Bravo personality is joining Mary Cosby, Lisa Barlow, Heather Gay, Angie Katsanevas, Meredith Marks, and Whitney Rose. The trailer is already promising some major drama between the returning cast, and newbies are also looking to make a splash.
Meili is a Taiwanese-American beauty. According to the Bravo press release, Meili has “her hands full as a model with four young children and husband. As she and her husband work to keep their romantic spark alive while raising their children, Meili is re-finding her identity outside of motherhood.” The release goes on to share that Meili is ”Originally from California. Meili was raised LDS and moved to Utah to be more involved in the church, but ultimately decided that the faith was not for her.” However, we don’t know if she left on her own accord or was cast out by the elders.
Meili’s Instagram bio notes that she is also trying to homestead in her Homeowners Association. Creating your own homestead is popular in Utah and basically consists of running a small farm. The family is self-sustainable and usually has its garden and chickens. Meili has posted photos of working in her vegetable garden and cooking with her eggs, so she is pretty good at it. The model is joining the cast as a friend of Whitney’s. This should be interesting since Whit is known to love involving herself in drama.
Meili definitely lives a very busy life with four kids and a husband. On social media, she shared that she married Ty Workman after only having known one another for six months. But now they have been together for ten years. According to his LinkedIn, her husband, Ty, works at CUI as a commercial insurance agent. His job is to safeguard businesses and their assets. Ty has been working at CUI for less than a year. Previously, he worked as a Senior Account Executive at Domo Inc. Ty graduated in 2013 from Utah Valley University with a Bachelor of Science.
The couple’s four kids range from 10 to 2 years old. The model has been very open about her struggles as a mother on her social media pages. Meili has openly spoken about her postpartum battle. In one honest post after the birth of Acre, she wrote, “The house is a mess, the dishes and laundry have not been done, we’ve eaten out more times than I can count, I’ve bled on our white linen couches and have filled a trash bag full of MY diapers. Yet, our hearts have never been so full.” Meili also shared this would be her last child, which is a whole coping process of its own.
Before it was revealed that Meili was cast, some negative press surrounded her. Bravo has never been great at performing their due diligence when it comes to a solid background check. But, surprisingly, the network would have missed some very damaging social media remarks that definitely didn’t sit well with viewers. Meili was caught making some controversial remarks on Facebook via Reddit. Reality Tea reported that Meili wrote, “I don’t think children know they are transgender.” The second issue was a response to a comment which read, “Abortion is murder, 100 percent.” The mother of four added, “agreeeee.”
In another comment, Meili wrote, “Sexual orientation is attributed to BOTH nature and nurture.” This is not a promising start to Meili’s Bravo career. I can only hope Meredith Marks, who is a staunch supporter of gay rights, calls her out on these remarks. Some followers feel she will fit right in as a Season 3 friend.
Only time will tell if Meili will be a fan favorite or the newest ice queen.
TELL US — ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW MEILI ON THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF SALT LAKE CITY?
